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		<title>Comment on Imparted vs Imputed by MarkSpizer</title>
		<link>http://andycottingham.com/2009/12/04/imparted-vs-imputed/comment-page-1/#comment-619</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkSpizer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 May 2010 07:50:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>great post as usual!</description>
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		<title>Comment on Follow us in Zambia by Richard Kingdon</title>
		<link>http://andycottingham.com/2010/02/26/follow-us-in-zambia/comment-page-1/#comment-615</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Kingdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Feb 2010 16:46:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And they&#039;re off!  So quickly that not only did Andy miss getting wet in the baptismal, but they missed out on doughnuts as well!!!!  Still, your reward will be in heaven, or perhaps in Ndola. Have a great trip guys, may the Lord bless &amp; empower you for all that lies ahead. Looking forward to getting your blogs!!
Rich</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And they&#8217;re off!  So quickly that not only did Andy miss getting wet in the baptismal, but they missed out on doughnuts as well!!!!  Still, your reward will be in heaven, or perhaps in Ndola. Have a great trip guys, may the Lord bless &amp; empower you for all that lies ahead. Looking forward to getting your blogs!!<br />
Rich</p>
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		<title>Comment on Must be pantomime season by Sean</title>
		<link>http://andycottingham.com/2009/12/17/must-be-pantomime-season/comment-page-1/#comment-601</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 22:30:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, Brighton Gay Pride March anyone?</description>
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		<title>Comment on Must be pantomime season by Andy Cottingham</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Cottingham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 12:02:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Suz, had such a small part I felt I had to demonstrate commitment to the cause. Not a great picture looking much older than my 28 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Suz, had such a small part I felt I had to demonstrate commitment to the cause. Not a great picture looking much older than my 28 years.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Must be pantomime season by Suz Van Schalkwyk</title>
		<link>http://andycottingham.com/2009/12/17/must-be-pantomime-season/comment-page-1/#comment-599</link>
		<dc:creator>Suz Van Schalkwyk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 08:00:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andy, what have you done. Is the colour supposed to be Chris Evans ginger?
As for giving yourself 2 black eyes for a panto performance! 

Great blog otherwise though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andy, what have you done. Is the colour supposed to be Chris Evans ginger?<br />
As for giving yourself 2 black eyes for a panto performance! </p>
<p>Great blog otherwise though.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Must be pantomime season by Howard Maidman</title>
		<link>http://andycottingham.com/2009/12/17/must-be-pantomime-season/comment-page-1/#comment-598</link>
		<dc:creator>Howard Maidman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 14:09:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh no it isn&#039;t!</description>
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		<title>Comment on Imparted vs Imputed by Nick</title>
		<link>http://andycottingham.com/2009/12/04/imparted-vs-imputed/comment-page-1/#comment-596</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 00:34:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it would also help if you did a word study on imputation. 

In my study on this topic, the Greek term “logizomai” is the English term for “reckon/impute/credit/etc,” (all terms are basically equivalently used) and when I look up that term in a popular Protestant Lexicon here is what it is defined as:

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QUOTE: “This word deals with reality. If I “logizomai” or reckon that my bank book has $25 in it, it has $25 in it. Otherwise I am deceiving myself. This word refers to facts not suppositions.”
http://tinyurl.com/r92dch
—————-

The Protestant Lexicon states this term first and foremost refers to the actual status of something. So if Abraham’s faith is “logizomai as righteousness,” it must be an actually righteous act of faith, otherwise (as the Lexicon says) “I am deceiving myself.” This seems to rule out any notion of an alien righteousness, and instead points to a local/inherent righteousness.

The Lexicon gives other examples where “logizomai” appears, here are some examples:

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Rom 3:28 Therefore we conclude [logizomai] that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Rom 4:4 Now to the one who works, his wages are not counted [logizomai] as a gift but as his due.

Rom 6:11 Likewise reckon [logizomai] ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Rom 8:18 For I reckon [logizomai] that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
——————-

Notice in these examples that “logizomai” means to consider the actual truth of an object. In 3:28 Paul ‘reckons’ faith saves while the Law does not, this is a fact, the Law never saves. In 4:4 the worker’s wages are ‘reckoned’ as a debt because the boss is in debt to the worker, not giving a gift to him. In 6:11 the Christian is ‘reckoned’ dead to sin because he is in fact dead to sin. In 8:18 Paul ‘reckons’ the present sufferings as having no comparison to Heavenly glory, and that is true because nothing compares to Heavenly glory.

To use logizomai in the “alien status” way would mean in: (1) 3:28 faith doesn’t really save apart from works, but we are going to go ahead and say it does; (2) 4:4 the boss gives payment to the worker as a gift rather than obligation/debt; (3) 6:11 that we are not really dead to sin but are going to say we are; (4) 8:18 the present sufferings are comparable to Heaven’s glory.
This cannot be right.

So when the text plainly says “faith is logizomai as righteousness,” I must read that as ‘faith is reckoned as a truly righteous act’, and that is precisely how Paul explains that phrase in 4:18-22. That despite the doubts that could be raised in Abraham’s heart, his faith grew strong and convinced and “that is why his faith was credited as righteousness” (v4:22). This is also confirmed by noting the only other time “credited as righteousness” appears in Scripture, Psalm 106:30-31, where Phinehas’ righteous action was reckoned as such.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it would also help if you did a word study on imputation. </p>
<p>In my study on this topic, the Greek term “logizomai” is the English term for “reckon/impute/credit/etc,” (all terms are basically equivalently used) and when I look up that term in a popular Protestant Lexicon here is what it is defined as:</p>
<p>—————-<br />
QUOTE: “This word deals with reality. If I “logizomai” or reckon that my bank book has $25 in it, it has $25 in it. Otherwise I am deceiving myself. This word refers to facts not suppositions.”<br />
<a href="http://tinyurl.com/r92dch" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/r92dch</a><br />
—————-</p>
<p>The Protestant Lexicon states this term first and foremost refers to the actual status of something. So if Abraham’s faith is “logizomai as righteousness,” it must be an actually righteous act of faith, otherwise (as the Lexicon says) “I am deceiving myself.” This seems to rule out any notion of an alien righteousness, and instead points to a local/inherent righteousness.</p>
<p>The Lexicon gives other examples where “logizomai” appears, here are some examples:</p>
<p>——————-<br />
Rom 3:28 Therefore we conclude [logizomai] that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.</p>
<p>Rom 4:4 Now to the one who works, his wages are not counted [logizomai] as a gift but as his due.</p>
<p>Rom 6:11 Likewise reckon [logizomai] ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.</p>
<p>Rom 8:18 For I reckon [logizomai] that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.<br />
——————-</p>
<p>Notice in these examples that “logizomai” means to consider the actual truth of an object. In 3:28 Paul ‘reckons’ faith saves while the Law does not, this is a fact, the Law never saves. In 4:4 the worker’s wages are ‘reckoned’ as a debt because the boss is in debt to the worker, not giving a gift to him. In 6:11 the Christian is ‘reckoned’ dead to sin because he is in fact dead to sin. In 8:18 Paul ‘reckons’ the present sufferings as having no comparison to Heavenly glory, and that is true because nothing compares to Heavenly glory.</p>
<p>To use logizomai in the “alien status” way would mean in: (1) 3:28 faith doesn’t really save apart from works, but we are going to go ahead and say it does; (2) 4:4 the boss gives payment to the worker as a gift rather than obligation/debt; (3) 6:11 that we are not really dead to sin but are going to say we are; (4) 8:18 the present sufferings are comparable to Heaven’s glory.<br />
This cannot be right.</p>
<p>So when the text plainly says “faith is logizomai as righteousness,” I must read that as ‘faith is reckoned as a truly righteous act’, and that is precisely how Paul explains that phrase in 4:18-22. That despite the doubts that could be raised in Abraham’s heart, his faith grew strong and convinced and “that is why his faith was credited as righteousness” (v4:22). This is also confirmed by noting the only other time “credited as righteousness” appears in Scripture, Psalm 106:30-31, where Phinehas’ righteous action was reckoned as such.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Imparted vs Imputed by dave bish</title>
		<link>http://andycottingham.com/2009/12/04/imparted-vs-imputed/comment-page-1/#comment-595</link>
		<dc:creator>dave bish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 14:52:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And yet the claim &quot;I am no longer a sinner but a saint!!&quot; is deeply controversial among many Christians who are afraid to say this...  

I think I want to go even further with Athanasius... 
“Salvation, according to Athanasius, is not about being given a ‘saved’ status or a catalogue of blessings by a distant God; it is about entering the very communion of the Father and the Son. “ (Michael Reeves on Athanasius)

Not a sinner, not even just a saint - but in Christ, caught up in intimate relationship with the Father, Son and Holy Spirit - not because I&#039;ve worked my way up, but because of the outrageous magnitude of his grace!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And yet the claim &#8220;I am no longer a sinner but a saint!!&#8221; is deeply controversial among many Christians who are afraid to say this&#8230;  </p>
<p>I think I want to go even further with Athanasius&#8230;<br />
“Salvation, according to Athanasius, is not about being given a ‘saved’ status or a catalogue of blessings by a distant God; it is about entering the very communion of the Father and the Son. “ (Michael Reeves on Athanasius)</p>
<p>Not a sinner, not even just a saint &#8211; but in Christ, caught up in intimate relationship with the Father, Son and Holy Spirit &#8211; not because I&#8217;ve worked my way up, but because of the outrageous magnitude of his grace!!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why Make Such A Big Deal Of PSA? by The Atonement - Is Penal Substitution the Only Thing That Happened at the Cross? » adrianwarnock.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Atonement - Is Penal Substitution the Only Thing That Happened at the Cross? » adrianwarnock.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 13:59:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 1 and 2 Corinthians, Atonement, Colossians, Romans   UPDATE - Andrew Cottingham has posted on how critical this all is to [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Together in Bude by Howard Maidman</title>
		<link>http://andycottingham.com/2009/10/19/together-in-bude/comment-page-1/#comment-588</link>
		<dc:creator>Howard Maidman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:47:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wonderful to see everyone again especially Grant &amp; Sue.  Well done to Dave Devenish what an inspiration!</description>
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